MODEL 1899 US KRAG CARBINE Description: Very nice cartouche on this gun with a date of 1901. This gun is in the 285,XXX serial range. Stock is in very nice condition. No cracks or losses. Top wood is present. Metal also is very nice with some blue remaining on the bbl balance turning a blue/grey.
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- Reply Edit Del Re: Krag carbines-Many model 1898 carbines were altered to 1899 specs but still carry the 1898 receiver date. Even so, the sn is too high for the 1898 carbine. The serial number may work for the 1899 carbine, but they were all marked MODEL 1899 on the receiver. All things considered, that was probably a cut-down 1898 rifle.
- I own a US Krag 1898 that is now in 'carbine' configuration. I doubt that this is a genuine carbine, but I'm chiefly interested in it as a shooter, and interested in what configuration it was originally made. Is it possible to associate a serial number to rifle production or to carbine production? Serial number is in the low 132,000 range.
- Posted 07 September 2017 - 02:56 PM. I'm not sure where you are getting your serial numbers, but according to Poyer's book on the Krag rifle and carbine, the serial number you have falls in the range 341602 to 362433 which he lists as one of the 1899 carbine ranges. As for the cartouche being 1901.
The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 |
U.S. Army Ordnance |
1898 Krag Carbine Serial Number Range
Understanding Serial Numbers - Understanding Dates of Manufacture
Serial number blocks were assigned by the Ordnance Department on an as needed basis, generally in response to the awarding of a contract to a given manufacturer.
The serial number was placed on the carbine receiver during the manufacturing process of the receiver, not when the carbine was finally assembled. The decision for which receivers would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1, M1A1, or M2 were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. Given the high volume production, receivers were generally assembled as part of a carbine within a few months after the receiver was serial numbered. However, dating a carbine by it's serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation during the time the carbines were manufactured.
A few of the manufacturers at various times used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these serial numbers concurrent to receivers being made by the prime contractor and/or other subcontractors assigned lower or higher serial number blocks.
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Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same receivers were brought back online and completed (i.e. Winchester receivers initially rejected because of an off spec deep hole drilled for the recoil spring and guide, later recovered and altered to use a detachable main spring housing). If a receiver was scrapped and not used, it's serial number may or may not have been reused.
No documentation has been found that indicates the dates serial numbers were placed on the receivers. No documentation has been found that indicates the serial numbers of carbines when they passed final inspection. Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month to the assigned serial number blocks. This is not an accurate means of estimating the date the carbine was finally assembled or when it passed it's final inspection.
If a receiver has it's original barrel and the barrel includes a date, the date is the date the barrel itself was manufactured. Barrels were usually in short supply and if inventory ran out could shut down production lines. Barrels were usually mounted to receivers within one or two months of the date the barrel was made, however, many carbines have had their original barrels replaced.
The start and end dates each prime contractor manufactured carbines in combination with the serial number, a dated barrel, and the parts the carbine has, if all are original to the carbine when it was manufactured may provide a general idea of when it was manufactured. As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced as they wear out, disassembled for the sale of the parts individually are within small groups, and/or carbines are being reconstructed to what people believe they should have been when they left the factory.
U.S. Caliber .30 Carbine
Models M1, M1A1 and M2
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U.S. Caliber .30 Carbine | |
Inland | Winchester |
4 Digits: 0001- 0835 5 Digits: 00001-00900 | 5 Digits: 01701-07545 |
U.S. Caliber .30 Carbine | |
Inland | Winchester |
6 Digits: 000001-unknown | used standard s/n's |
'Odd', Altered, and Duplicate Serial Numbers
Serial Number stamped between Rear Sight and Bolt
If an adjustable rear sight obscured the serial number, Ordnance personnel were authorized
to also stamp the number on top of the receiver between the rear sight and bolt.
X Suffix
An X following the serial number indicates the serial number has a duplicate, with the X being using
to identify one from the other. Not real common, may be collectible depending on a number of things.
Other Letters
Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this website.
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Seller's Description: NO RESERVE!! Here's a pretty darned nice and rather early Springfield 1896 Krag Carbine. Manufacture of this early example was actually begun in 1895 and the receiver is simply dated '1895'. On later guns, the receivers would be marked 'Model 1896'. By serial number it falls into the correct range for an early 1896 Carbine. These saw much use with the United States Cavalry and of particular note, by the 'Rough Riders' during the Spanish-American War. An interesting read, here's Teddy Roosevelt's account of the Battle for San Juan Hill in Cuba, where the Krag Carbine saw heavy action: Teddy Roosevelt on the Battle of San Juan Hill |
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